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Bill Gross: Almost all assets are now overvalued

By Philip Haddon | 13:54:58 | 27 October 2009

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Bill Gross, the founder of the world's largest bond fund manager Pimco, thinks thinks the six month rally in risk assets has reached its pinnacle and that the US Fed must keep interest rates low for up to 18 months.

In his latest colouful investment commentary published on the Pimco homepage, Gross discusses why in the 'new normal' following the financial crisis almost all assets appear to be overvalued on a long term basis, and that as a result policy makers must maintain artificially low interest rates and supportive easing measures to keep economies on track.

He thinks it could be up to 18 months until the Fed raises rates. 'My sense is that nominal GDP must show realistic signs of stabilizing near 4% before the Fed would be willing to risk raising rates,' Gross says. 'The current embedded cost of US debt markets is close to 6% and nominal GDP must grow within reach of that level if policymakers are to avoid continuing debt deflation in corporate and household balance sheets. While the U.S. economy will likely approach 4% nominal growth in 2009’s second half, the ability to sustain those levels once inventory rebalancing and fiscal pump-priming effects wear off is debatable. The Fed will likely require 12–18 months of 4%+ nominal growth before abandoning the 0% benchmark.'

Gross, whose firm runs $840 billion in assets, says that treasury bills at 0.15%, two year notes at less than 1% and ten year maturities at a 'paltry' 3.4% 'is all a treasury investor can expect,' without a period of deflationary momentum. Investors expecting the rally in risk assets to continue may be sorely disappointed, he thinks.

'What you see in the bond market is often what you get,' he says. 'Broadening the concept to the US bond market as a whole (mortgages + investment grade corporates), the total bond market yields only 3.5%. To get more than that, high yield, distressed mortgages, and stocks beckon the investor increasingly beguiled by hopes of a V-shaped recovery and “old normal” market standards. Not likely, and the risks outweigh the rewards at this point.

'Investors must recognize that if assets appreciate with nominal GDP, a 4–5% return is about all they can expect even with abnormally low policy rates.

‘Rage, rage, against this conclusion if you wish, but the six-month rally in risk assets – while still continuously supported by Fed and Treasury policymakers – is likely at its pinnacle. Out, out, brief candle.'

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Investors must recognize that if assets appreciate with nominal GDP, a 4–5% return is about all they can expect even with abnormally low policy rates. Rage, rage, against this conclusion if you wish, but the six-month rally in risk assets – while still continuously supported by Fed and Treasury policymakers – is likely at its pinnacle.”

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Comments (9)

John Lacy - A Timely Warning

16:13 | 27 Oct 2009

With depressed demand, unemployment still rising and a lack of consistently obtainable funding the world is likely to be a dangerous place for the over-optimistic for the medium term.

Cash looks pretty good to me at present!

Tony Peterson - That's what he thinks

16:35 | 27 Oct 2009

Always nice to see other people's opinions in circulation.

In my view he is seriously wrong.

Drake

16:55 | 27 Oct 2009

The fact is that nobody knows. Apart from the Sage of Omaha, that is.

Trufflehunter

17:24 | 27 Oct 2009

Bill Gross is a Bond Market Vigilante to take notice of. His Bond fund -PIMCO- has out-performed the equity market funds since 1982.

Stagflation is what's coming. The "growth" in GDP touted by American and UK governments in recent years has been "borrowed" from the future through the 3-Bed ATM and unsustainable public borrowing. There has to be a willingness for people to go into debt and indeed a solvent banking capacity to allow this. The secular credit expansion is over; this started with the recovery of the US and UK economies in 1982 when interest rates were at their peak. As "normal goods" inflation was squeezed out of the system rates came down; this factor more than anything else allowed the rise and rise of prices of leveraged assets such as real estate and equities.

"Pensionable" assets rose in value also in line with amount of saving from the Baby Boomers. The search for yield became desperate up to 2007; the only way out-sized returns could be made was via increased leverage in the financial system. We all know the result. These are the reasons why Bill Gross is likely to be correct in his assessment of the future.

Wake up!!

chris johnson - The market decides

19:58 | 27 Oct 2009

Surely any asset is worth what someone will pay for it? So if someone is daft enough to pay £50m for a 100 year old painting that's what it's worth. If you - and everyone else - can't afford/won't pay £1m for a 3 bedroom semi in London then the seller will have to reduce the price until someone bites. This then establishes, at that time and for that asset, its value.

Trufflehunter

20:23 | 27 Oct 2009

Chris J

I agree but you have to look at what drives the market up or down over a period of years. Credit expansion and the arrival of Baby Boomers into the market place were a key enabler. They created what economists refer to as The Multiplier Effect. This time we are going to have rising unemployment and falling real wages as a negative Multiplier and this is going to be unpleasant.

Tony

21:41 | 27 Oct 2009

Probably worth mentioning the Feds destruction of the dollar at this point, and the danger of a hyper inflationary depression in the USA.

Guy Sands - Inflation never came...

21:47 | 27 Oct 2009

I read an interesting article recently about the publication of a diary kept by a lawyer throughout the Great Depression. According to his account, the spectre of inflation was a constant worry during that time as the American government pumped money into the economy on a large scale. But it never came. I agree with Trufflehunter - the tide has now turned and the super party which we've all been part of since Thatcher took the shackles off the City and let it run rampant has now ended with big thud. We've had nearly 30 years of artificial wealth creation with the banks inflating assets by flooding the economy with easy credit. The unhappy reality of this has been been a real erosion in our standard of living where even basic human aspirations such as home ownership and a good work/life balance are just a dream for many . We must return to an economy based on real wealth creation. Lord Turner described bankers as socially useless and I personally cannot think of a more apt summary.

mark douglas - I can, try this old one

23:30 | 27 Oct 2009

Merchant banker, wan........

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