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Should it be illegal to re-sell tickets at rip-off prices?

Or is ticket touting a fair trade?

A number of MPs are calling for a ban on ‘ticket touting’ at major sporting events, festivals and gigs.

‘Ticket-touting’ is when someone buys tickets for an event with the intention of selling them on to others for a huge profit. For example, over the weekend tickets for the men’s final at Wimbledon were reportedly being sold online for £6,000.

It is already illegal to re-sell tickets for football matches and the London Olympics, but Sharon Hodgson, Labour MP for Washington and Sunderland West, wants to see the ban extended to all ‘crown jewel’ sporting events - including Wimbledon, the Grand National and Six Nations Rugby.

She said: ‘We don’t want to stop people from selling tickets at face value but we do want to stop this situation whereby if you have the money you can simply jump the queue at the last minute by using ‘premium’ ticket vendors without a thought for the person who wanted to buy the ticket months ago before they were all bought up’.

Hodgson plans to introduce a new private members bill to ban anyone from selling tickets greatly above face value, but unless it wins the support of the government it is unlikely to become a law.

But what do you think? Is ticket touting fair?

Many parents with young children who like going to pop concerts and music festivals will probably agree that ticket touting is brutally unfair. Ticket touts are well set up to buy official tickets quickly, leaving genuine fans who have saved up to buy a ticket forced to pay two, three or maybe ten times the cover price on other websites.

The increase in popularity of online auction websites such as Ebay has helped enormously to facilitate the touting trade, as ticket touts are no longer resigned to street corners. Ticket re-selling websites are supposed to be for fans to sell unwanted tickets to other fans, but with many tickets popping up online just minutes after going on sale it is clear people are flogging tickets they bought solely with the intention of selling for profit.

But are these people not just opportunist entrepreneurs? Not everyone has time to sit at their computer for tickets to come on sale and many prefer to pay more for the convenience of buying tickets in their own time. And if someone is willing to spend an extortionate amount of their disposable income on concert tickets is that not their prerogative?

Jonathan Brown, from the Society of Ticket Agents and Retailers (Star), said it's all about supply and demand.

'As long as there are people willing to pay those prices, there's somebody there waiting to sell it to you,' he said. 

But should there not at least be more regulation? Or does Glastonbury have the right idea featuring a photo of the original buyer on tickets so they can not be resold?

What do you think?

9 comments so far. Why not have your say?

Anonymous 1 needed this 'off the record'

Jul 05, 2010 at 15:47

Surely you have bought it so its yours do do with as you want - willing buyer and a willing seller etc. Yes its hard occasionally but its obviously worth it to the person paying millions for a ticket. It goes wrong sometimes - but that's the job of the Police.

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Malcolm

Jul 05, 2010 at 15:58

It cannot be difficult to restrict the numbers that the touts can buy.

And if somebody actually pays £6000 to a tout to watch the Wimbledon final (or whatever other ridiculous sum for any other event), they deserve to be parted from their money and we do not need more nanny state legislation to protect them from themselves.

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Adrian

Jul 05, 2010 at 16:58

My problem with all these anti-tout measures is that they penalise the honest buyer who, when the time comes, finds that they cannot attend the event.

How many event organisers offer refunds? If I read the small print I am breaking the law if I try to resell it and these 'proof of ID' schemes are basically saying "prove to us that you're not a criminal!"

Perhaps two solutions to consider:

1. Sell insurance with every ticket to cover non-attendance. A great way for insurance companies to make easy money and keep consumer bodies busy challenging the level of proof the insurers will inevitably require!

2. Don't sell tickets months or years in advance. Make them available, say, no more than a month in advance and that should mean very few people will suffer last minute plan changes and the window of opportunity for organised touts will be much reduced.

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Anonymous 2 needed this 'off the record'

Jul 05, 2010 at 16:58

In a world where there are so many more important wrongs that should be righted, this particular one must be way down the list of priorities.

Much higher up the list is the excessive salary paid to Sharon Hodgson MP. She isn’t worth £65,738 a year plus expenses. To make matters worse she tried to see if she could get away with claiming £900 for a television. Fortunately the fees office said no.

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Anonymous 3 needed this 'off the record'

Jul 05, 2010 at 17:31

The government are cutting spending on police so it would be unwise for Sharon Hodgson MP to invent new crimes to be investigated to waste our tax money yet further. I also think that ticket touting is normal business and entrepreneurship should be encouraged. Being paid £65,738 a year to make up more ways to waste cash is ludicrous.

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JEREMY NORFOLK

Jul 05, 2010 at 19:21

Although not illegal, the All England Club does everything that it can to stop the reselling of Wimbledon tickets, including refusing admission to any but the original buyer and removing the ticket allocation rights from any club or individual found to have sold on tickets allocated to them. It also monitors eBay and other advertisements and has in the past succeeded in establishing the identity of sellers by this means, followed by punitive measures as above.

This does not apply to debenture holders tickets which can and are expected to be resold, at least in part. Inevitably, as the only transferable tickets, these tickets always command a premium price, but this is what enables the All England Club in turn to issue the debentures at a premium and without this premium the Club would not have been able to embark on the major development of the grounds that we have seen in recent years, including the new No.1 and 2 Courts and the roof on Centre Court.

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Jon

Jul 06, 2010 at 00:15

This debate has not covered the ticket scams which ride on the back of touts.

My position is that it should be fine to resell tickets at up to face value but no more. Whilst some posts above reckon that entrepreneurs should be allowed, this activity does nothing to add value to the economy.

So if the resale price were capped it would also limit the damage from scams

And I doubt that touts declare their profits for tax and NI

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Adrian

Jul 06, 2010 at 16:15

@Jeremy. So, if I buy a few ordinary Wimbledon match tickets for my family or friends and later discover that I/we cannot use the tickets would the Club buy them back from me (with perhaps a nominal 'admin' fee) or enjoy having my money and not worry about the empty spaces court-side and disgruntled customers?

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Anonymous 4 needed this 'off the record'

Jan 21, 2011 at 21:47

What an utter nonsense and waste of parliamentary time and money. What's next? Cap the price of a restaurant meal? Designer handbag? Aspirin? Let's start by capping MPs' salaries.

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