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Neptune’s Geffen warns of mid-cap bloodbath

UK investors who focus on mid-caps could find themselves trapped by a dearth of liquidity, warns Neptune head of investment Robin Geffen.

Neptune’s Geffen warns of mid-cap bloodbath

UK investors focusing on mid-cap stocks in the second half of 2010 could find themselves trapped by a dearth of liquidity as the market suffers a ‘long slow bleed’, according to Neptune Investment Management’s Robin Geffen.

Geffen, who leads the investment team at Neptune, has been buying high-quality yield stocks in developed markets across the group’s funds in order to take a firmly defensive posture if markets suffer another retreat. The group’s Neptune US Opportunities fund, managed by Felix Wintle, has even gone as far as hedging 20% of its fund against further market falls with an S&P 500 future.

In his £900 million Neptune Income fund, a recommended investment on Citywire Selection, Geffen is now very defensively positioned and he warns that many fund managers who have benefited from the outperformance of 'mid-cap' companies in the FTSE 250 this year should know when to drop those winners.

He said: ‘I would feel incredibly uncomfortable to be in UK deep cyclical stocks now. The FTSE 250 has outperformed the FTSE 100 and is yielding about 6% but to my way of thinking, that is a function of liquidity.

'If we go on a long slow bleed and there is no liquidity in those FTSE 250 stocks [some fund managers] will find they will not be able to get out. That is the area that could turn into a horror show in the UK with no liquidity and no buyers and nobody will be able to get out because the door has already been closed in their faces.’

Geffen said global equity markets are essentially justifying caution in the developed markets and optimism in emerging markets. He believes the second half of 2010 will see markets experience the sort of rapid risk-off/risk-on trades that have dominated the first half of the year.

‘Even within developed markets there are going to be sharply good and sharply bad days, and overall the direction is going to be hard to call,’ he said.

‘You get one day when we have some good jobs data and the FTSE 100 falls to 4,800, then another day where you get bad data and everyone thinks the world is going to end. This market is capable of dropping or rising 10 to 155 points, not just here but in the US and Europe as well.’

7 comments so far. Why not have your say?

stormdog

Aug 20, 2010 at 14:00

So what is new Mr. Geffen?

Is this statement your best shot, or what?

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tough enough

Aug 20, 2010 at 15:31

Not many top managers will give a personal perspective as direct as this and it really is a breath of fresh air.

Thanks Mr Geffen.

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William Bishop

Aug 20, 2010 at 15:36

Do we really need to be told that the outlook is uncertain and that markets will go up on some days and down on others? Lord love a duck!

In actuality, the market outlook is always uncertain, but only at some times is this apparent to all and sundry.

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Peter Lawless

Aug 20, 2010 at 15:56

" a recommended investment on Citywire Selection ".............

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Peter Thoresen

Aug 20, 2010 at 21:47

"So sell up quick and then buy into my fund......" seems to be the underlying message. Another fund manager trying to draw funding from the diminishing market pool. (He may well be right on the coming lack of liquidity.)

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gordon gray

Aug 21, 2010 at 01:53

Dear Robin what planet have you just arrived from? Of course we are invested in blue chip high yielders with strong free cash flows we learned that in econ 101 were you asleep in that class? Now please tell me and other readers what we don,t know and then we shall be that much wiser but refrain from stating the obvious, its very boring.

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Brian Stafford Garthwaite

Aug 23, 2010 at 17:16

Robin Geffen has a superb track record, he is telling us what he has been DOING, unlike some people who tell ius what WE should do, then probably go off and do something quite different themselves.. It seems to me that Robin is being open and honest about how he sees the markets. I hope he keeps up the good work.

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